The Mike Daisey Roundtable (June 15, 2008)
Last Sunday, I attended Mike Daisey's How Theatre Failed America, which was extremely good. Daisey is a great storyteller with an outrageous sense of humor and comic timing, and the performance just flew by. I know that people continue to compare him to Spalding Gray, and this is high praise indeed, but the comparison seems a bit odd given Gray's cool, ironic, unemotional style versus Daisey's white-hot outrage and deep emotion. There is no way that Gray could have told a story like the one Daisey tells about a high school "loser" who appeared in a play Daisey directed, which Daisey imbues with an aching sense of empathy and understanding. Even more than his description of his depression, which was darkly beautiful, this story resonated in me as a teacher and, perhaps even moreso, as a teacher in various prisons. I could sense the helplessness.
There was one thing that puzzled me about the performance. Daisey is a storyteller, and in posts I have noted that he talks about talking directly to the audience and engaging them in dialogue. Nevertheless, he uses the traditional theatrical approach of having the stage brightly lit and the audience in total darkness, so that it is pretty much impossible for him to actually see anyone in the theatre or talk directly to them. I know that this is the case because I couldn't see the audience hardly at all during the discussion, at least without shading my eyes. So I ask Mike: why not raise those house lights at least a little, and lower those stage lights a little, and try to actually look your listeners in the eyes? I suspect your words would be even more powerful. Just a thought.
After the show, which was well-attended though not full and enthusiastically received, I and my fellow panelists (John Collins and Colleen Werthman of Elevator Repair Service, Elizabeth Dowd of Bloomsburg Theatre Ensemble, Tanya Selvaratnam of the Builders Association, Heidi Schrack of Two-Headed Calf, and Hal Brooks who directed Thom Paine) assembled for the discussion. To my surprise, a large chunk of the audience stayed for the discussion.
It was a good discussion, if probably a bit long. Mike's show started at 7:00, and we didn't end the discussion until 11:00! The initial focus of the discussion was on ensembles, and I guess I was there because the theatre tribe idea is basically an ensemble. It was a lively discussion, and I suspect I talked too much. John Collins and I found ourselves in disagreement rather frequently, and I can't really remember why any more -- [perhaps his decidedly NY-centric attitude. To be honest, the discussion passed in a blur. I found myself sympatico with Elizabeth Dowd, who has been with Bloomsburg Theatre Ensemble for 29 of its 30 years, and who seems to be living a life that is both artistically satisfying and fulfilling as a lifestyle. She was proof that it was possible to have a life in the theatre outside of a major metropolitan area, her theatre being in Bloomsburg PA. (And while you may be tempted, please don't click through to the Bloomsburg Theatre Ensemble and feel compelled to weigh in on the season choices of her theatre -- while I'm sure it is important to you, it isn't really relevant to the discussion, nor am I particularly interested.)
Once the floor was open to comments and questions, things got more interesting. I particularly remember a few young people demanding that artists be more active in working with high school students as a way of growing the audience for theatre. "What are you doing about this?," one demanded to know. And the response was, mostly, not much -- "We're too busy trying to make ends meet -- we don't have time." This was greeted with a certain skepticism, as if a drowning man said he didn't have time to swim because he was too busy trying to stay afloat.
The discussion was a personal test for me, because I was accompanied by two people I hold in high regard, Cal Pritner and Evamarii Johnson, who I was pretty certain wouldn't agree with some of what I had to say. It is one thing to have an opinion alone in my study, but to stay true to that opinion in the presence of people you admire more than most is a challenge, at least for me. I managed to do so, I think, and it may have helped that the stage lights kept me from seeing their reactions. The next morning, we had a good conversation about a couple of points, but the most important one is something I want to reiterate: while I am trying to decentralize thw American theatre and find a model that will allow live theatre to spread across America, I am not trying to eliminate the New York theatre. This is not an either or, but a both and. I would like to undermine the hegemony of the New York theatre, yes, but not get rid of it. The fact is that prior to Daisey's performance, I had the privilege to attend August: Osage County, which had the best acting and directing I have ever seen in my career. To me, it isn't an accident that it is the product of an ensemble theatre, and I suspect that the specialness will be greatly lessened by the departure of several of the actors -- I was fortunate to see the last performance with the original cast.
At any rate, thanks to Mike Daisey for asking me to be part of the roundtable -- I felt flattered beyond measure. I had an opportunity to meet Dennis Baker, who was intelligent and articulate, and several other young theatre artists who were interested in finding another path. I wish them the best of luck, and hope to be able to help them in any way I can.
There was one thing that puzzled me about the performance. Daisey is a storyteller, and in posts I have noted that he talks about talking directly to the audience and engaging them in dialogue. Nevertheless, he uses the traditional theatrical approach of having the stage brightly lit and the audience in total darkness, so that it is pretty much impossible for him to actually see anyone in the theatre or talk directly to them. I know that this is the case because I couldn't see the audience hardly at all during the discussion, at least without shading my eyes. So I ask Mike: why not raise those house lights at least a little, and lower those stage lights a little, and try to actually look your listeners in the eyes? I suspect your words would be even more powerful. Just a thought.
After the show, which was well-attended though not full and enthusiastically received, I and my fellow panelists (John Collins and Colleen Werthman of Elevator Repair Service, Elizabeth Dowd of Bloomsburg Theatre Ensemble, Tanya Selvaratnam of the Builders Association, Heidi Schrack of Two-Headed Calf, and Hal Brooks who directed Thom Paine) assembled for the discussion. To my surprise, a large chunk of the audience stayed for the discussion.
It was a good discussion, if probably a bit long. Mike's show started at 7:00, and we didn't end the discussion until 11:00! The initial focus of the discussion was on ensembles, and I guess I was there because the theatre tribe idea is basically an ensemble. It was a lively discussion, and I suspect I talked too much. John Collins and I found ourselves in disagreement rather frequently, and I can't really remember why any more -- [perhaps his decidedly NY-centric attitude. To be honest, the discussion passed in a blur. I found myself sympatico with Elizabeth Dowd, who has been with Bloomsburg Theatre Ensemble for 29 of its 30 years, and who seems to be living a life that is both artistically satisfying and fulfilling as a lifestyle. She was proof that it was possible to have a life in the theatre outside of a major metropolitan area, her theatre being in Bloomsburg PA. (And while you may be tempted, please don't click through to the Bloomsburg Theatre Ensemble and feel compelled to weigh in on the season choices of her theatre -- while I'm sure it is important to you, it isn't really relevant to the discussion, nor am I particularly interested.)
Once the floor was open to comments and questions, things got more interesting. I particularly remember a few young people demanding that artists be more active in working with high school students as a way of growing the audience for theatre. "What are you doing about this?," one demanded to know. And the response was, mostly, not much -- "We're too busy trying to make ends meet -- we don't have time." This was greeted with a certain skepticism, as if a drowning man said he didn't have time to swim because he was too busy trying to stay afloat.
The discussion was a personal test for me, because I was accompanied by two people I hold in high regard, Cal Pritner and Evamarii Johnson, who I was pretty certain wouldn't agree with some of what I had to say. It is one thing to have an opinion alone in my study, but to stay true to that opinion in the presence of people you admire more than most is a challenge, at least for me. I managed to do so, I think, and it may have helped that the stage lights kept me from seeing their reactions. The next morning, we had a good conversation about a couple of points, but the most important one is something I want to reiterate: while I am trying to decentralize thw American theatre and find a model that will allow live theatre to spread across America, I am not trying to eliminate the New York theatre. This is not an either or, but a both and. I would like to undermine the hegemony of the New York theatre, yes, but not get rid of it. The fact is that prior to Daisey's performance, I had the privilege to attend August: Osage County, which had the best acting and directing I have ever seen in my career. To me, it isn't an accident that it is the product of an ensemble theatre, and I suspect that the specialness will be greatly lessened by the departure of several of the actors -- I was fortunate to see the last performance with the original cast.
At any rate, thanks to Mike Daisey for asking me to be part of the roundtable -- I felt flattered beyond measure. I had an opportunity to meet Dennis Baker, who was intelligent and articulate, and several other young theatre artists who were interested in finding another path. I wish them the best of luck, and hope to be able to help them in any way I can.
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We've played with different levels of audience illumination, and the truth is that it disrupts their ability to coalesce into an audience--you still get there, but it's much harder, and we don't gain much else.
md
Unless somehow the alternative theatre models to the failing regional theatres collectively grow some real fangs and begin to see “the hand that feeds them” as food as well, little will change, and artists remain as competing lap dog performers within the system’s failure.
But the fact is that Daisey's work has inspired, at least for the time being, a certain amount of awareness and conversation among the powers that be, whether they be AD's, MD's, or TCG staff.
Did the post-show panels serve Daisey? Of course they did. And that is bad in what way? Is there some value in personal obscurity?
Did those in the audience get something from the panels? It probably varies -- one of my mentors left early from one, finding the level of discourse disappointingly low. Others were more inspiring. The point is that people who cared about the issues got an opportunity to think more about them, and hear people talk about them who had given some thought or part of their lives to different approaches.
And frankly, I'm not certain that "fangs" are what is necessary here. Persuasion, perhaps.
In a sundry array of alternative models, many more artists are producing theatre in America than those producing under the TCG regional theatre model. I see this kind of commitment and action as the real opposite to what you call kvetching, not panel discussions and TCG conferences.
I, on the other hand, have little interest in the current regional theatre, but only in what the regional theatre was originally supposed to be: a decentralized, company-based, community-oriented movement. I take Daniel Quinn's attitude: it is possible, and probably desirable, to simply walk away from the current system and begin anew -- thus my Buckminster Fuller quotation on the webpage.
So why was I in NYC? For me, it was mental weight-lifting: I needed to practice saying my message out loud in front of an audience that was most likely to be hostile or dismissive. It is one thing to post your ideas from the quiet of your study, and another to speak it in a public forum that aren't true believers. Thus, most of the conflict on the panel was between me and John Collins of Elevator Repaor Service, over the viability of permanent ensembles and the centrality of the NYC theatre scene. The challenge was to make the case in such a way that the NYC audience heard it clearly, and were able to consider it a possibility. Fortunately for me, Elizabeth Dowd was there as well to serve as living proof that it is possible. We supported each other well.
The next step for me is to take the message on the road. My hope is that I can begin attending conferences around the country, specifically academic conferences, to start persuading college teachers that the current NYC focus of their curriculum is not serving the student or the art form. Persuading people who have already committed to Nylachi to take their money off the table and go elsewhere may be less effective than trying to divert some young theatre people away from Nylachi and toward another alternative BEFORE they have placed any bets.
My message may or may not have gotten swallowed up in the discussion -- Mr. Collins certainly had a lot to say, and most of the panelists were New York artists, so I knew the odds going in. But I tried my best not to get lost (to the point of perhaps talking more than I should have), and to preach it as best I could. It was a good exercise for me, but just the start of a long, long process.
Mike Daisey I would characterize as less a reformer and more an artist who trying to make a living at his art by creating a theatre relevant and producible within the same system he is criticizing in How Theater Failed America.